This ticks me off. What are the principals of the very country they speak of? Freedom! So, let's look at their email....
"On 9-11, did anyone attend the special service hosted by Calvary Chapel, Chino Hills? I heard they were so full, they turned folks away 45 min. before it began. Four "Ex-Muslim Terrorist" spoke. A family at bible study last night attended and a gentleman relayed that there are presently 44 terrorist training camps inside the United States. Thanks in advance for comments and or valid information!
From: Email
To: Email
Subject: Can A Good Muslim Be A Good American?
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:04:47 -0700
Can a good Muslim be a good American?
Interesting questions for the Muslim Community to discuss.
For research on our part also.
. . . Can a good Muslim be a good American?
I forwarded that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years
The following is his forwarded reply:
Theologically - no.
. . . Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon God of Arabia.
Religiously - no.
. . . Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Qu ran, 2:256)
Scripturally - no.
. . . Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Qu ran (Koran).
Geographically - no.
. . . Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially - no.
. . . Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
Politically - no.
. . . Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.
Domestically - no.
. . . Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him
(Quran 4:34 ).
Intellectually - no.
. . . Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically - no.
. . . Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression.
. . Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually - no.
. . . Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.
- - - Therefore after much study and deliberation.... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country.
- - - They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans.
* * * Call it what you wish..it's still the truth.
* * * You had better believe it.
If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above statements, perhaps you will share this with your friends.
+ + + The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.
# # # : Pass it on Fellow Americans. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand.
After reading the above, I was so irritated that I had to reply. (oh and Obama is a Christian (United Church of Christ))
Here is my reply:
Theologically - no.
. . . Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon God of Arabia.
This is true, but what does that have to do with being a good American? If you use this statement as truth, you have to condemn Jews(Jehovah), Buddhists(Buddha) and lots more! I do not think this country was created on the concept that one religion is better than another. That's the reason that the country's ancestors came here in the first place! Was to escape religious pressures.
This is true, but what does that have to do with being a good American? If you use this statement as truth, you have to condemn Jews(Jehovah), Buddhists(Buddha) and lots more! I do not think this country was created on the concept that one religion is better than another. That's the reason that the country's ancestors came here in the first place! Was to escape religious pressures.
Religiously - no.
. . . Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Qu ran, 2:256)
Here is the problem: Christians are like this too. Just read the Bible! "There is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else." Isaiah 45:21-22
This states very plainly that there is no others! Even John 3:16 states that there is no other way to get saved.
Here is the problem: Christians are like this too. Just read the Bible! "There is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else." Isaiah 45:21-22
This states very plainly that there is no others! Even John 3:16 states that there is no other way to get saved.
Scripturally - no.
. . . Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Qu ran (Koran).
The Five Pillars of Islam are this:
1. Testifying that there is no God but Allah. (We do this with John 3:16, but with Jesus Christ)
2. Pray five times a day. (This is a good practice anyway, we should observe the liberty we have of praying whenever and pray even MORE often than they do!)
3. Charitable giving from those who are able. (Giving money to the poor? Not a bad plan...)
4. Fasting. (We do this all the time! In fact, every religion has a form of fasting included within it!)
5. The Pilgrimage to Mecca (This is where they believe Abraham is buried. Yes, the one in the Bible! In fact, they believe in everything we believe up until the new testament. Religions are more connected than you might think.)
The Five Pillars of Islam are this:
1. Testifying that there is no God but Allah. (We do this with John 3:16, but with Jesus Christ)
2. Pray five times a day. (This is a good practice anyway, we should observe the liberty we have of praying whenever and pray even MORE often than they do!)
3. Charitable giving from those who are able. (Giving money to the poor? Not a bad plan...)
4. Fasting. (We do this all the time! In fact, every religion has a form of fasting included within it!)
5. The Pilgrimage to Mecca (This is where they believe Abraham is buried. Yes, the one in the Bible! In fact, they believe in everything we believe up until the new testament. Religions are more connected than you might think.)
Geographically - no.
. . . Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
So what if they face Mecca when they pray? Are they supposed to pray towards the USA? That would be false idols to any religion! It is an expression of their faith that I believe is why this country is so great. People are free to pray how they want! How great is that?
So what if they face Mecca when they pray? Are they supposed to pray towards the USA? That would be false idols to any religion! It is an expression of their faith that I believe is why this country is so great. People are free to pray how they want! How great is that?
Socially - no.
. . . Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
What are you TALKING about?! Hahahaha! I can't count the number of friends I have made that believe in Islam. This is just too ridiculous.
What are you TALKING about?! Hahahaha! I can't count the number of friends I have made that believe in Islam. This is just too ridiculous.
Politically - no.
. . . Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.
Woah woah woah. What? Mullah do not teach annihilation of anything. In fact the percentage of Muslim Extremists is extremely low! In a recent poll it was discovered that Muslims who: "Find it acceptable for religious or political groups to use violence for political ends, number 4 percent." This is a measly amount of people. In fact there is many MORE people who are not Muslims that use violence from day to day! But because there is this "War on Terror", the media moves toward the Muslim Extremists instead. What about Westboro Church? Or the "Christians" who began yelling in the middle of a Buddhist prayer? How about HITLER for goodness sakes?! HE claimed to be Christian and yet accounted for the deaths of countless MILLIONS of Jews. And so you look at the 4% of Muslims that believe it is okay to use violence?
Woah woah woah. What? Mullah do not teach annihilation of anything. In fact the percentage of Muslim Extremists is extremely low! In a recent poll it was discovered that Muslims who: "Find it acceptable for religious or political groups to use violence for political ends, number 4 percent." This is a measly amount of people. In fact there is many MORE people who are not Muslims that use violence from day to day! But because there is this "War on Terror", the media moves toward the Muslim Extremists instead. What about Westboro Church? Or the "Christians" who began yelling in the middle of a Buddhist prayer? How about HITLER for goodness sakes?! HE claimed to be Christian and yet accounted for the deaths of countless MILLIONS of Jews. And so you look at the 4% of Muslims that believe it is okay to use violence?
Domestically - no.
. . . Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34 ).
Pffft! BWAHAHAHAHA! Oh man... I haven't had a laugh like that in a while. This is so absurdly wrong that... oh jeez. This isn't true at all. Polygamy hasn't been around in most Muslim countries since... the 1920s! And even if SOME men abuse their wives, I can give examples of dozens of "Christian" men doing the same. And not because their belief depended on it either...
Pffft! BWAHAHAHAHA! Oh man... I haven't had a laugh like that in a while. This is so absurdly wrong that... oh jeez. This isn't true at all. Polygamy hasn't been around in most Muslim countries since... the 1920s! And even if SOME men abuse their wives, I can give examples of dozens of "Christian" men doing the same. And not because their belief depended on it either...
Intellectually - no.
. . . Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
The Bible is NOT based on biblical principals! I don't know how long it will take me to get this through to people. Read the Bible and you will not find much freedom for slaves or for wives or children, etc... Not only that, but most of those who wrote the Constitution were not Christians. Jefferson, Franklin and many others were actually Deists. This means that they believe in one God, but they deny the existence of Jesus Christ! I don't think that someone would write a composition as important as that, BASED on something they DON'T believe! That would be ridiculous.
The Bible is NOT based on biblical principals! I don't know how long it will take me to get this through to people. Read the Bible and you will not find much freedom for slaves or for wives or children, etc... Not only that, but most of those who wrote the Constitution were not Christians. Jefferson, Franklin and many others were actually Deists. This means that they believe in one God, but they deny the existence of Jesus Christ! I don't think that someone would write a composition as important as that, BASED on something they DON'T believe! That would be ridiculous.
Philosophically - no.
. . . Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression.
It is true that many Islamic countries do not allow for freedom of religion. But this is why they come here, to spread the Islamic religion to others. And don't even try to argue that this is wrong. We Christians do it all the time! Ever heard of "Crusades"? Or how about the numerous Christian missionaries who go undercover to break the law in order to spread the word of God? And for freedom of expression? This is a HUGE topic. I mean, they enjoy creating music, calligraphy, food.. the list goes on and on. Is this not freedom of expression?
It is true that many Islamic countries do not allow for freedom of religion. But this is why they come here, to spread the Islamic religion to others. And don't even try to argue that this is wrong. We Christians do it all the time! Ever heard of "Crusades"? Or how about the numerous Christian missionaries who go undercover to break the law in order to spread the word of God? And for freedom of expression? This is a HUGE topic. I mean, they enjoy creating music, calligraphy, food.. the list goes on and on. Is this not freedom of expression?
. . Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Soooooo, if every total Christian government has been a Monarchy or some sort of King/Queen... should we get the heck out of the country? England, Spain, Denmark, Holland... they were all Christian based countries at one point or another, and what is their Government? Monarchy, monarchy, monarchy and monarchy... Do you think that a Monarchy and Democracy are exactly the same?
Soooooo, if every total Christian government has been a Monarchy or some sort of King/Queen... should we get the heck out of the country? England, Spain, Denmark, Holland... they were all Christian based countries at one point or another, and what is their Government? Monarchy, monarchy, monarchy and monarchy... Do you think that a Monarchy and Democracy are exactly the same?
Spiritually - no.
. . . Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.
"One nation under God," was not added to the Pledge of Allegiance until 1954. So really, it was not until recent administration decided to add it, that the Pledge was "inconsistent" with Islam. And if you have problems with what they call their god, that is a personal grudge, NOT something that condemns them from being American.
"One nation under God," was not added to the Pledge of Allegiance until 1954. So really, it was not until recent administration decided to add it, that the Pledge was "inconsistent" with Islam. And if you have problems with what they call their god, that is a personal grudge, NOT something that condemns them from being American.
- - - Therefore after much study and deliberation.... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country.
ALL MUSLIMS?! I would be tempted to slap someone who says this in front of me. You are condemning an ENTIRE race just from what a small bit does. It is for this very reason I do not like to associate myself with Christians. I still believe in John 3:16 and all, but when I tell an Atheist or "non-believer" that I am Christian, they automatically assume that I am like those from Westboro Baptist Church. And that I am here to yell at them and damn them to hell. You should never condemn a people for the doings of a select few. Do not condemn the Germans because of Hitler, do not condemn the Christians because of Westboro, do not condemn the Muslims because of Terrorists.
ALL MUSLIMS?! I would be tempted to slap someone who says this in front of me. You are condemning an ENTIRE race just from what a small bit does. It is for this very reason I do not like to associate myself with Christians. I still believe in John 3:16 and all, but when I tell an Atheist or "non-believer" that I am Christian, they automatically assume that I am like those from Westboro Baptist Church. And that I am here to yell at them and damn them to hell. You should never condemn a people for the doings of a select few. Do not condemn the Germans because of Hitler, do not condemn the Christians because of Westboro, do not condemn the Muslims because of Terrorists.
- - - They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans.
* * * Call it what you wish..it's still the truth.
* * * You had better believe it.
And one last thing I do not like to encounter, it is those people who do not keep an open mind. "Call it what you wish...It's still the truth."? This is being stubborn. More stubborn than anything else I can think about. And is that a threat I see at the end?! YOU are giving ME an ultimatum?! "Believe it" or what? You will become just as bad as those you are creating to be evil if you complete that sentence. Verbal can be just as powerful as physical violence and if you are using the verbal, you can be no different than any other terrorist.
And one last thing I do not like to encounter, it is those people who do not keep an open mind. "Call it what you wish...It's still the truth."? This is being stubborn. More stubborn than anything else I can think about. And is that a threat I see at the end?! YOU are giving ME an ultimatum?! "Believe it" or what? You will become just as bad as those you are creating to be evil if you complete that sentence. Verbal can be just as powerful as physical violence and if you are using the verbal, you can be no different than any other terrorist.
If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above statements, perhaps you will share this with your friends.
+ + + The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.
(is it just me or is this suggesting genocide?)
(is it just me or is this suggesting genocide?)
# # # : Pass it on Fellow Americans. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand.
You're right, we don't understand. And I don't think many people WILL understand why we at war for a long time to come. If you need more proof, look at this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=RytxVNM0llQ
and this:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWdq7hg4dLU
Why are we at war? The reason keeps getting blurred for me.
But the one truth I know is that the Islamic people are more peaceful than many Christians I have met. And it is pretty pathetic that I would rather hang out with many of my Muslim friends than associate myself with the people that think in the blue text above.
signed,
E
ps. About that 44 training camps thing. You would think that they would be a little more secretive about their training camps if we know an exact number. And even IF we know there are 44 of them, how come we haven't gotten rid of them? If we have an exact number, we should have an exact location.
You're right, we don't understand. And I don't think many people WILL understand why we at war for a long time to come. If you need more proof, look at this: www.youtube.com/watch?v
and this:
www.youtube.com/watch?v
Why are we at war? The reason keeps getting blurred for me.
But the one truth I know is that the Islamic people are more peaceful than many Christians I have met. And it is pretty pathetic that I would rather hang out with many of my Muslim friends than associate myself with the people that think in the blue text above.
signed,
E
ps. About that 44 training camps thing. You would think that they would be a little more secretive about their training camps if we know an exact number. And even IF we know there are 44 of them, how come we haven't gotten rid of them? If we have an exact number, we should have an exact location.
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Oh, sorry. I'm allergic to bullsh**."--Will Smith
And that's what I say about that! ^_^
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